マシンガントーク2013/05/07 00:35

かねがね不思議だなと思っていたのは、私がはたちかそこらの1977年頃、2歳後輩で大学のサークルに入った女性が一度話し出したら止まらないという人だったのでその特徴を「マシンガントーク」と呼び、会員誌もつくっていたから、そう紹介した可能性も高い。そして結構この熟語は当時仲間うちながら受けたのでした。

その後「マシンガントーク」という熟語は世の中でひんぱんに聞くようになりました。その熟語は私がつくったものなのかどうなのか。何か原典があって私が使ったのか、今ではもうさだかでない。

ミュージシャンの歌唱やMCを「まるでマシンガンのよう」と形容した評論などがあったせいかも知れません。

検索したらポルノグラフィティの曲にもあるんだなあ。それよりは全然早い。

(後刻年代を10年誤ったことに気づいたのでベースメッセージも修正しました)

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_ Ice Cube ― 2013/05/07 01:13

1980年頃の漫才ブームか、それ以前のコメディー、お笑い、芸能関連で、「マシンガントーク」という語は使われていた気がします。
このへんの語って、誰か有名人が「俺が最初に言った」とか言わないと、起源は不詳のままですね。
ネットの世界の情報もこのあたりの年代の情報が抜け落ちている気がします。(高度成長で爆発的に社会が変化したものの記録方法が追いつかず、公式記録に残ったもの以外忘れ去られつつある)

あとは自然発生的に新語が同時多発するものの、起源となると、広める力が強い人(団体)が有利ですね。

_ ビーサン刑事 ― 2013/05/07 01:22

早っ、まだ編集中だぜ(笑)。
でも記録を遡れば、私が「マシンガントーク」という語を使ったのは1987年、遅くても9月くらい。
その前に使われた例があるか立証してみよ(笑)。

_ ビーサン刑事 ― 2013/05/07 01:35

Ice Cubeさん、
ごめん大学3年生だから1977年頃だわ。
なさけない。

_ Ice Cube ― 2013/05/07 11:21

10年くらい前、言葉の話題で変な記事をみかけました。
「北海道ではセブンスターをブンタと言う」というもので、ほとんどが「北海道の方言(地域限定の意味)」という取扱いでした。なかでも学者さんだったかが、北海道発の言葉が発生しているのは珍しいなどと書いていたのには、あっけにとられました。
いや、「ブンタ」は50年代生まれの東京周辺の若者が使っていただろうがと、ネットで調べてもほとんど出て来ない。
むしろ今では「セッタ」だとか、「知らん、使ったこともない」単語が常識らしい。(笑)
70年代頃の常識、事実が90年代以降のメディアの描くフィクションやネット常識でどんどん破壊、捏造されていると感じています。
もっともたぶん、それらは戦前の日本が小津映画などで描かれているのとおなじなんだろうなぁと思います。

それと、マシンガン・トークは、60年代頃の東宝や日活映画あたりで出て来ててもおかしくないんじゃないかなぁ。

_ Ice Cube ― 2013/05/07 11:33

それから、「ちょっとだけ昔の日本」に関しては、最近某所でつきあいのある特に山の手のお年寄りは、全然昔の日本の庶民の暮らしだとか、習俗、習慣を知らなくて愕然とします。
うちの父母、祖父母たちの生活と彼らの語りや写真などからと、一般的な各種情報とから理解しているかつての日本の暮らしをほとんど知らないらしい。
たとえば今の中国の一般庶民の生活のとある一面が戦前戦後の日本の庶民の暮らしと似通っていると感じることが多いですが、彼らの反応はむしろ「へえ、中国ってそんななんだ(変わっている)」といった感じです。
新聞社で働いてた老人ですら、そうなんで驚きました。もっとも、彼の場合、忘却しているのかもしれません。
うちの母にしても、自分の都合の悪い過去は忘れてますからね。他人から嫌なことをされたとかは忘れやしないけど。(笑)

書き忘れてましたが、先の「ブンタ」は方言周圏論のひとつの例だと思いますね。東京(あるいは他の都会)で発信されて、だんだんと周辺に広まって、都会では次の単語が出現すると使われなくなり、東北で消えかかり、北海道では残っている。
東京でなくとも、すぐにマイルドセブンが出てブンタは使われなくなり数十年。今はマイルドの語も使えなくなりましたが。

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